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| "Red Digivice Diaries" Reviews/Comments [ 154 ] | | Pages (11): [ « ‹ 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 › » ] | Reviewed By: Digi Advisor On: April 02, 2003 14:51 EST
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"Daisuke is a normal teenage boy who, when given a chance to have sex, he will have sex. That's true of every damn country in the world. Out of every senior high school student who graduates in America a virgin, a non-virgin graduates as well.
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That's not practically true. Yes it's true that many boys would have sex, but not every boy in America or elsewhere for that matter.
"Third, Japanese boys are taught to be 'manly.' It is EXPECTED of them to have sex prior to marriage...Japanese girls are NOT expected to be virgin brides unless they're of noblity and/or in an arranged marriage. Miyako is neither. It's expected that boys will experiment, so it's only natural that girls will be experimented on."
These were your words Lord Archive. I found this statement rather insulting to all Japanese people and their dignity. If anything, I'd say one would regard that statement as racist! You're saying all Japanese females are sex objects to be used for one's exploit, and that Japanese males are nothing more than sex driven animals. This is an abomination to all human dignity. If you had any sense of honor you wouldn't have said that statement.
"Fourth, this applies to Daisuke as well: For a story of this nature and length I can NOT have the characters fall into perfect little romances where sex is only about love. That's not true in real life, so it's not going to be true here either. Some characters need to make mistakes, especially considering the ages they are protrayed to be in this series."
You know little...Opps, my mistake; you know nothing about romance in real life!
Yes children will make mistakes in their youth, but this was...you know what, words can't even describe what I what to say here.
"Second, Miyako has been protrayed by Toei to be the most outgoing of girls. A type of girl who may very well play around with the boys a little. I personally knew girls like her, and they certainly experimented."
You're portraying an innocent young girl as a slut. It's true that in the show Miyako is protray as an outgoing girl, but the show NEVER portray her as an out going hooker! Baka!
"All indications is she was a teenaged mother herself, though late teens. Anything she could do to stop them would make her a hypocrite."
There's a sharp difference in making mistakes as a teenager, growing up and raising a child not to make the same mistakes their parents did. Evidently I see that you know little of child discipline. Baka!
"Mr. Ishida messed up his life so much that he doesn't feel he has the right to interfer in his children's life in fear of doing something that'll mess their lives up as well."
If possible, elaborate! You know what, don't even attempt to!
"Mrs. Takenouchi is a traditional woman and wants Sora to follow in her footsteps. With her daughter practically married to Taichi while in high school limits Sora's future career goals and helps insures that Sora will take over the Floral Shop."
BULL!! What caring parent(s) would selfishly encourage such behavior and actions for their own self-centered objectives?
"Mr. Inoue, ah, actually he DID beat up Daisuke as mentioned in one of the War Diaries entries. The reason neither he nor his wife has done anything more is the 'damage' is already done. Stopping Miyako from having sex won't bring back her virginity. The only issue is pregnancy, which Miyako makes sure she is protected from that."
This doesn't help your argument whatsoever. Miyako should have gotten into trouble with her parents for that. The Inoue parents should have then notified Daisuke's parents about what Miyako and Daisuke did and let them deal with him.
Lord Archive, you're a disgrace to all Otakus! The only reason why I was reading this fic was to find reasons to say: "Kisama baka no bakara!!"
And Canis Black:
After reading Vodka's comments and yours, I see that you're on the same level as Lord Archive...And that's not a compliment!!
Properly disciplining children, even physically, for terrible mistakes the children have committed IS NOT child abuse. In all societies, parents who care for their children would raise them with proper discipline, otherwise they'll grow up with no morals! | Reviewed By: Vodka On: April 02, 2003 11:37 EST
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Not much to say really. Do what you will. I really don't care. Kamaimasen... | Reviewed By: Lord Archive [MediaMiner Member] On: April 01, 2003 23:29 EST
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> You turned Daisuke into a sex crazed maniac. That was totally OOC!
First, where in Toei's canon ever said Daisuke will only sleep with his future wife? How Daisuke will approach sexual situations has never been handled by them, and frankly never will be. About the only OOC classification one could slap on him is having him be strictly homosexual and never had interest in girls. (And for the yaoi ficts with that: What about Hikari? Is she a cross-dresser?)
Second, Daisuke is a normal teenage boy who, when given a chance to have sex, he will have sex. That's true of every damn country in the world. Out of every senior high school student who graduates in America a virgin, a non-virgin graduates as well.
Third, Japanese boys are taught to be 'manly.' It is EXPECTED of them to have sex prior to marriage.
> Miyako wouldn't just spread her legs to just any guy like some slut.
First, it's been to three guys. Daisuke-- who is her pseudo-boyfriend, Koushiro-- who she attempted to have a serious relationship with, and someone she doesn't know because she was upset at Daisuke ditching her at a club. That hardly goes for 'any guy.'
Second, Miyako has been protrayed by Toei to be the most outgoing of girls. A type of girl who may very well play around with the boys a little. I personally knew girls like her, and they certainly experimented.
Third, Japanese girls are NOT expected to be virgin brides unless they're of noblity and/or in an arranged marriage. Miyako is neither. It's expected that boys will experiment, so it's only natural that girls will be experimented on.
Fourth, this applies to Daisuke as well: For a story of this nature and length I can NOT have the characters fall into perfect little romances where sex is only about love. That's not true in real life, so it's not going to be true here either. Some characters need to make mistakes, especially considering the ages they are protrayed to be in this series.
> And the way their parents took what everyone was doing was totally out of whack.
> I'd beat the living daylights out of my child if he/she was engaging in any of these activities at the young ages you placed the DigiDestined in.
Nice bit of child abuse there. Which would be out of cultural character. A child is more like to starve to death while being 'unloved,' a harsher form of being grounded where the parent ignores the child exists, than from being beaten to death.
Again, sexual activity is expected. Though not necessarily at the age the children are.
And how would you expect them all to act?
Mrs. Motomiya is the mother of Jun and Daisuke. She never put any real control on them before. She let Jun chase after a Yamato who is a few years younger than her. Having Mrs. Motomiya take the Japanese stance of 'having a manly son' a bit too far isn't a stretch of what meager characterization she has.
Mrs. Yagami was one of the driving forces behind Taichi's official engagement to Sora and in making Hikari get married. Frankly, Hikari and Takeru's punishment for having sex is being 'grounded for life.' They are going to have a baby to look after. Anything a parent could possibly do to them as punishment would be trivial at that point.
Ms. Takashi's family is screwed up royal in canon. Her father is not much older than her ex-husband. All indications is she was a teenaged mother herself, though late teens. Anything she could do to stop them would make her a hypocrite.
Mr. Ishida messed up his life so much that he doesn't feel he has the right to interfer in his children's life in fear of doing something that'll mess their lives up as well.
Mrs. Takenouchi is a traditional woman and wants Sora to follow in her footsteps. With her daughter practically married to Taichi while in high school limits Sora's future career goals and helps insures that Sora will take over the Floral Shop.
Mr. Inoue, ah, actually he DID beat up Daisuke as mentioned in one of the War Diaries entries. The reason neither he nor his wife has done anything more is the 'damage' is already done. Stopping Miyako from having sex won't bring back her virginity. The only issue is pregnancy, which Miyako makes sure she is protected from that.
One final point: I am not the creator of Digimon nor do I have Toei's master character biographs of these characters. As such, my views of these characters are subjective from my point of view. Even if I have ninety-nine people saying this is in character, there will always be the one who will disagree. I can not please everyone, no matter how much I try. | Reviewed By: Canis Black [MediaMiner Member] On: April 01, 2003 19:03 EST
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I know it's not my place, and that Archive is perfectly capable of defending himself, but I really felt the need to make my opinion know in this case.
Vodka, Archive uses the Japanese characterizations, which from what I have heard can be radically different from the American Dubs. Since the Japanese versions were first, anything that conforms to them is technically cannon and trumps the dubbed versions. This means that since Archive is basing Daisuke off of the Japanese version he's going to act quite a bit more like a normal person since as I understand it that's what he was like in the Japanese version of Digimon 02. And as a normal person, he will like most teenagers think that sex is great and quite likely get it whenever he has opportunity. As for his sleeping around, well Archive has basically explained that through the storyline of both this and War Diaries.
As for Miyako, I only recall her having had sex with Daisuke and Koushiro, and MAYBE one or two other guys. For the most part its been Daisuke since Koushiro broke up with her. This does not qualify as having "just spread[ing] her legs to just any guy like some slut."
And finally there's your comment about the parents' reactions. It's a totally different society, and quite frankly Archive appears to be much better informed on the ins and outs of it than I. As for your comment on beating the living daylights out of your children if you found them having sex with other kids their age, I really hope you know that that would be nothing more than child abuse, and is NOT what they would need. I sincerely hope that you grow up before you have kids.
This whole thing in general:
While it's amusing to watch Archive pick apart the flamers reviews, I'm really getting tired of seeing him do so. This is a work of fiction that has been classified as a divergence/continuation. That means there are going to be some changes to the known storyline, and like all changes these will be reflected through the characters actions. Also a continuation, or at least a good one, relies in large part on the author's perceptions of the characters in question as he or she continues to develop the characters above and beyond the development carried out by the show's designers and writers. Naturally there will be people who disagree with a writers vision of what the future brings, and if you are one of them then that is your right. However, if you truly find it detestable you don't have to make this known to anyone but yourself because you don't have to read it. If you don't like what the author is doing yet continue to read then please limit your criticisms to those that will be constructive.
I appologize if I have offended anyone or stepped on any toes, but as I said earlier I felt as if I had to put in my two cents worth.
Canis Black | Reviewed By: Vodka On: April 01, 2003 15:15 EST
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You turned Daisuke into a sex crazed maniac. That was totally OOC! Miyako wouldn't just spread her legs to just any guy like some slut. And the way their parents took what everyone was doing was totally out of whack. I'd beat the living daylights out of my child if he/she was engaging in any of these activities at the young ages you placed the DigiDestined in. | Reviewed By: Lord Archive [MediaMiner Member] On: March 31, 2003 23:15 EST
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oxygene_iv, X-Man's 'Friends' series is available at http://www.digiartistdomain.com which has up to chapter 26.
Vodka, I value characterization above plot. I will not have a character go against their nature just to force a plot line to work. If there is any thing that seems out of character, please tell me where to find it.
Lord Deathsycthe... oops. Meant to double check spelling. I feel really stupid with the manga sitting at my feet. Nuriko's death chapters no less. ^^; | Reviewed By: Vodka On: March 31, 2003 13:09 EST
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Lord Archive, I took note that a particular reviews known as Digi-Advisor happens to be an infamous reviewer. He doesn't seem to like this fic much. At first I thought he/she was just another fic basher. But after reading this fic, I'd rather hold my peace unlike he/she did. I Despise all Takari fics in general, but that's just me. However, I will give you one evaluation: next time when you want to write a fic, KEEP the cast in character. PLEASE!! | Reviewed By: oxygene_iv [MediaMiner Member] On: March 31, 2003 12:40 EST
Rating(s):Style of Writing: 10 of 10
Spelling & Grammar: 9 of 10
Originality/Creativity: 9 of 10
Enjoyment Factor: 10 of 10
Overall Rating: 10 of 10 Comment/Review:
truly, the best digimon fic ever made, keep on it, and by the way LORD ARCHIVE could you tell me were can i find the X-MAN fic "friends" i didnt finished reading it or did he stopped writing it? | Reviewed By: Chrismking208 On: March 22, 2003 23:27 EST
Rating(s):Style of Writing: 10 of 10
Spelling & Grammar: 10 of 10
Originality/Creativity: 10 of 10
Enjoyment Factor: 10 of 10
Overall Rating: 10 of 10 Comment/Review:
one of the best i have ever read second only to Psycho G'sDigimon 02:Endgame but since they are not realy in the same class
i had to give credit where credit is due
keep up the good work | Reviewed By: spade On: March 21, 2003 17:18 EST
Rating(s):Style of Writing: 10 of 10
Spelling & Grammar: 8 of 10
Originality/Creativity: 10 of 10
Enjoyment Factor: 10 of 10
Overall Rating: 10 of 10 Comment/Review:
the overall story was exelent but you need to finish it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! more chapters!!!! | Reviewed By: Lord Deathscythe On: March 21, 2003 08:45 EST
Rating(s):Style of Writing: 10 of 10
Spelling & Grammar: 8 of 10
Originality/Creativity: 10 of 10
Enjoyment Factor: 9 of 10
Overall Rating: 10 of 10 Comment/Review:
It's good, like most of your fics...but...
There are a few spelling errors like 'Noriko' and 'Hontohori'...
I suggest you do a little research before putting in a reference to another series.
Overall, good...but where was the whip cream? | Reviewed By: Shade_The_Wanderer [MediaMiner Member] On: March 15, 2003 19:35 EST
Rating(s):Style of Writing: 10 of 10
Spelling & Grammar: 10 of 10
Originality/Creativity: 10 of 10
Enjoyment Factor: 10 of 10
Overall Rating: 10 of 10 Comment/Review:
This is a great series. I love all your other work as well. | Reviewed By: Shade_The_Wanderer [MediaMiner Member] On: March 15, 2003 19:35 EST
Rating(s):Style of Writing: 10 of 10
Spelling & Grammar: 10 of 10
Originality/Creativity: 10 of 10
Enjoyment Factor: 10 of 10
Overall Rating: 10 of 10 Comment/Review:
This is a great series. I love all your other work as well. | Reviewed By: Shade_The_Wanderer [MediaMiner Member] On: March 15, 2003 19:35 EST
Rating(s):Style of Writing: 10 of 10
Spelling & Grammar: 10 of 10
Originality/Creativity: 10 of 10
Enjoyment Factor: 10 of 10
Overall Rating: 10 of 10 Comment/Review:
This is a great series. I love all your other work as well. | Reviewed By: Lord Archive [MediaMiner Member] On: March 14, 2003 14:31 EST
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'Digi Advisor' you still have yet to answer one question: If you don't like the series, why are you STILL reading it?
Pointless sex and plotless? Get a dictionary. You obviously don't know what those words mean. | | Pages (11): [ « ‹ 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 › » ] |
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